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Sniper 11:19 Thu Mar 24
UEFA considering champions league changes
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Seems Leicester spurs and the potential of us have really rocked the boat. Bet Man U Chelsea and Liverpool have kicked up a right stink
I'm not opposed to reducing the competition or changing the format, but the worst things they've done are to sell out coverage to paid services (blatantly why they want wild cards - fans aren't going to pay to watch neutral games in Europe so they need the biggest fan base) and the ridiculous convoluted drawing out of each round over weeks and weeks. It's just boring.
More knock out rounds all played in one week is far better.
Anyway, from the Beeb:
The Champions League may feature fewer teams in the group stages under proposals being considered by Uefa.
One suggestion is for more knockout rounds, leading to two 'super-league' groups of eight teams - the current format features eight groups of four.
A spokesman told the Guardian Uefa was in "constant contact" with clubs but "no concrete proposals" were in place.
The current structure is unlikely to change under the present TV rights deal, which runs to the end of 2017-18.
The Champions League replaced the European Cup, which was a straight knockout competition, in 1992.
There are currently three qualifying rounds and a play-off round, all played over two legs, then the group stage which features 32 teams divided into eight groups, with the top two in each group advancing to the knockout round of 16.
The European Clubs' Association, led by former West Germany international striker Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, has held discussions regarding a tournament consisting of 20 teams from Italy, England, Spain, Germany and France.
Inter Milan chief executive Michael Bolingbroke told the BBC this week that he saw merit in the idea of Champions League wildcards for teams that have not qualified through their league position.
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El Scorchio
11:42 Thu Mar 24
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This is a clear move to try and weed out the 'lesser' teams before they ever get to a group stage, thus guaranteeing more exposure and yet more money for only the top 8 sides in Europe. You can bet your arse the knockout phase would be seeded to ensure the top teams get an easier ride as possible. In fact I expect they'd only have to enter in the final knock out round.
Absolute cunts- both the club and UEFA administrators.
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Son of Sam
11:43 Thu Mar 24
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How on earth this monstrosity was ever allowed to evolve, {thinks back fondly of days of EC, ECWC and UEFA cup
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El Scorchio
11:44 Thu Mar 24
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Beg your pardon- top sixteen sides in Europe.
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Takashi Miike
11:51 Thu Mar 24
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they keep moving the goalposts to protect the usual suspects. like I said before, let them fuck off to their European Super League Boreathon and never let them come back
and I've always hated that fucking albino cunt Rumenigge
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Dr W.H.O.
11:54 Thu Mar 24
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Flys in the face of everything sport should represent. Struggling to see how this couldn't open up an endless stream of legal challenges. I want West Ham to be challenging in Europe but would to see us become one of these clubs that Have this sense of entitlement over other clubs. Wankers.
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Mike Oxsaw
11:54 Thu Mar 24
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This is clearly driven by the need to keep the Asian market interested.
THE cream of European competitions without the traditional "big" clubs would never sell in Asia - or probably America.
People in general don't like change and so "expect" to see the same names featuring in a competition year in, year out.
Add in the fact that many Asians find pronouncing the names of some of the "lesser" European teams (and so will want to avoid losing face by mispronouncing them), and you have some idea of what's driving this.
Plus, of course, the owners of the traditional big clubs see playing in Europe, and the money that brings, as a divine right, not a privilege that their team has to earn every season.
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Dr W.H.O.
11:55 Thu Mar 24
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*hate
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whufcroe
12:04 Thu Mar 24
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Lots of people mis-understanding and pissing their pants over this.
The CL changes format every three years and this is what the next change would be.
If Leicester, Tottenham and West Ham finished 1, 2, 3 then they would still be the three teams to progress into the Champions League.
This is to do away with so many game with have no interest mainly in the group stage.
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riosleftsock
12:05 Thu Mar 24
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So, when its Atletico vs Leicester in the final, couldn't we just dub over the commentary for the kitchens and say its real madrid vs man utd again?
They might even buy some shirts by mistake.
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Stubbo
12:05 Thu Mar 24
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Personally I think more knockout rounds and less league rounds would be a good thing.
What is debatable here is the motivation for change.
As for Wild Card entries - how ridiculous. Sport is an evolving entity, with teams time at the top coming and going.
Most of this probably lobbying from TV companies saying "how are we meant to sell premium advertising for games that involve Leicester City, Spurs or West Ham?".
The huge money and the contracts are based on the ability of the TV companies to charge premium rates for advertising in lucrative markets, which relies on them having large fan bases for the teams playing in those markets.
None of it makes this right though. Until we grow our global reach and become one of these monolithic global brands, we're going to be lumped in with the Premier League 'also rans', who irrespective of performance on the field just don't do it for these corporate entities that are trying to reach millions of Asian consumers.
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Stubbo
12:09 Thu Mar 24
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I'd actually like to see this European Super League come into effect and take out these teams that have delusions of grandeur.
It would soon become a non-entity, and the plastic fans at Chelsea, Man Utd etc would soon tire of their sides finishing mid-table to lower half every year, while Barca, Real Madrid, and Munich fight out a 3 team battle.
Would mean no away fans, no real derbies, none of that 'niggle' that defines football.
They would deserve all they got in the search for money.
In the meantime the real football would continue to be the domestic league. Wouldn't take long for these idiots to want back in.
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ludo21
12:12 Thu Mar 24
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Money, money, money....
If we qualify for the CL we should just say to UEFA & Man Utd - how much will you pay us for us to let Man Utd take our place - what for the 40m offer and then just laugh in their greedy fat faces... I think that would get the message across.
Who gives a fuck what Asia and the US want... they won't be content until they have completely fucked the whole thing up.
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whufcroe
12:12 Thu Mar 24
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The fan base thing is a red herring, big Italian clubs don't have the world wide appear of English or Spanish sides for example.
Man City had a small global fan base until they started winning, ditto Chelsea and Liverpool have missed out plenty in recent time without it effecting the CL.
IF the likes of West Ham and Tottenham maintain their good form then the fan bases will grow as these worldwide fans on the whole are fickle.
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Sven Roeder
12:12 Thu Mar 24
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The goal will be a league structure that allows the BIG teams to play each other more often without the threat of elimination.
And guaranteed places for the big teams from their MATES if the unthinkable happens and they don't qualify every year.
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Dr W.H.O.
12:15 Thu Mar 24
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If they left to form a Super League it should be a one way door. Agreed Stubbo. It would die in its arse. Clubs like Chelsea are built on sand.
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whufcroe
12:20 Thu Mar 24
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Sven - That's not clubs want as they know the money and interest wouldn't last
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Sven Roeder
12:30 Thu Mar 24
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At the moment you sometimes get two big teams in a group by accident and then they only play each other in quarter finals and beyond as knockouts.
I think they want bigger groups so you can have games between big teams earlier and they both still go on to the knockout stages and play more of their PEERS.
If you had an eight team group you could risk (and they see it as a risk with the possibility of elimination) having Barca, Man Utd & Bayern all in together with say 4 teams going through.
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El Scorchio
12:37 Thu Mar 24
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The convenient thing about this would be the Lion's share of the money would only have to be split 16 ways, rather than 32.
Lucky old 16 top clubs, eh? Always about the money...
Would actually be good in small leagues like the Scandie ones where the likes of Copenhagen won't get into the super 8 round and financial parity will be closer in their domestic game, but it would just widen the gulf even more in Spain, Germany, Italy, France and here.
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whufcroe
12:53 Thu Mar 24
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El Scorchio 12:37 Thu Mar 24
How would it widen the gulf even more if the teams are not the usual suspects?
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CanningTownWA
12:54 Thu Mar 24
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I think that if Man Utd and Chelsea etc spend a few years in the wilderness the Asians and Africans whoever, would not have any hesitation in jumping ship onto whoever is
winning games. They are not exactly season ticket holders just glory hunters.
I was in Bangkok 2 weeks ago and Leicester were plastered everywhere so no problem with a following there if they carry on as they are.
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